Skrtel is not good enough

christhered · #1 29-9-09, 22:42

Yes Im being reactionary, but study the goals we have conceded and its either down to his poor positional play or his lack of heading ability.
It just isnt this season, he made mistakes last season too, especially in the derby. I feel we have another Glen Hysen on our hands.
He cannot head all to save his life.

Benny-Noon · #2 29-9-09, 22:43

I'd say it was more down to Carra's inability to position himself correctly half the time this season.

Carra's been woeful &he needs to hurry up &Improve.

Jannno · #3 29-9-09, 22:45

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Originally Posted by Benny-Noon

I'd say it was more down to Carra's inability to position himself correctly half the time this season.

Carra's been woeful &he needs to hurry up &Improve.

That's how it seems to me

changeaname · #4 29-9-09, 22:47

Seemed to me like the whole defence has questions to answer at the moment.
And they seemed to have insufficent help from CM tonight.

Em-inLeam · #5 29-9-09, 22:47

Skrtel commits too many fouls from behind. You'd think he'd learn... Great defender when on form though.

The-Locks-Of-Torres · #6 29-9-09, 22:52

oh dear lord

"skrtel isnt good enough"

great. if we fail to score against chelsea lets start a "torres cant score consistently" thread.

*** on this forrum rlly dnt have a clue.

christhered · #7 29-9-09, 23:01

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Originally Posted by Owen999

oh dear lord

"skrtel isnt good enough"

great. if we fail to score against chelsea lets start a "torres cant score consistently" thread.

*** on this forrum rlly dnt have a clue.

Look at the games where Liverpool concede, skrtel is a poor header of the ball. It no coincidence since everthing was solid with Zonal Marking till Skrtel appeared.

Echos · #8 29-9-09, 23:16

Skrtel has proven he is good enough, he's not playing well though

Mike-10 · #9 29-9-09, 23:23

I wouldn't say Skrtel isn't good enough but at the moment both him and Carra are completely out of form so i wouldn't really mind either one of them being dropped for Agger because it may give us more stability at the back and more importantly give Carra and Skrtel a massive kick up the backside.In other words they have to realize that their places in the team aren't secure and they'll have to play well if they're to be first pick every week and at the moment they aren't doing anything to convince Rafa that they should be playing.

Dilinja · #10 29-9-09, 23:33

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Originally Posted by Echos

Skrtel has proven he is good enough, he's not playing well though

Agreed.

But I think the introduction of Johnson has upset the defence more than we had hoped. It is taking a little longer than is comfortable for us all for the boys to adapt to the tactical change. We have (generally) played good attacking football, but with no Arbeloa (or Finnan before him) helping to shore up the defence we are leaving our centre halfs exposed.

Until we can get the mix right we are going to ship more goals. Fortunately this has so far been offset by the attacking play we all wanted so much (although obviously not all the time

)

tegs · #11 29-9-09, 23:43

carragher and skrtel partnership is not working at all. we iether try skrtel and agger or kyrgiakos and skrtel. and since benitez will never drop carragher i would presume agger will partner carra when fit. id love to give agger skrtel a try.

Snipes · #12 29-9-09, 23:53

Wow....talk about knee jerking - LOL. Skrtel is an excellent CB. I love Carragher but he is absolutely not marshalling that defense and just seems totally out of sorts. Those two are playing like strangers to each other...I don't think its one defender being bad. Its the partnership that stinks.

Few things drive me crazier than when we are down and needing to go forward in a hurry....Carra stops turns and passes the ball back to the keeper. Its like he has this pre-program in his head...always go back to the safety of the keeper. Its ridiculous....it makes him like like a amateur.

tegs · #13 29-9-09, 23:55

johnson(crosses) agger(pace and air) skrtel(tackling) aurelio(experience)
mascherano to protect

should be the right balance for us defensivly.

christhered · #14 30-9-09, 00:04

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Originally Posted by Snipes

Wow....talk about knee jerking - LOL. Skrtel is an excellent CB. I love Carragher but he is absolutely not marshalling that defense and just seems totally out of sorts. Those two are playing like strangers to each other...I don't think its one defender being bad. Its the partnership that stinks.

Few things drive me crazier than when we are down and needing to go forward in a hurry....Carra stops turns and passes the ball back to the keeper. Its like he has this pre-program in his head...always go back to the safety of the keeper. Its ridiculous....it makes him like like a amateur.

I have said its the partnership that stinks, they seemed to be more concerned what each other is doing, instead of concentrating on their own game.

Having said that Skrtel is incapabale of heading a cross field ball.

Snipes... blame Carra.. its funny how our biggest strength was alway defending till Skrtel came along.... I dont need to remind you of Havant and waterloo, I havent seen that sort of performance from Vidic time and time again ( torres apart

) against the best in the world.

Carra was part of the best defensive unit we have had in 25 years, but blame him anyway, after all he wasnt the Messiah's signing, so who gives a ****.

44red · #15 30-9-09, 00:13

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Originally Posted by Snipes

Wow....talk about knee jerking - LOL. Skrtel is an excellent CB. I love Carragher but he is absolutely not marshalling that defense and just seems totally out of sorts. Those two are playing like strangers to each other...I don't think its one defender being bad. Its the partnership that stinks.

Few things drive me crazier than when we are down and needing to go forward in a hurry....Carra stops turns and passes the ball back to the keeper. Its like he has this pre-program in his head...always go back to the safety of the keeper. Its ridiculous....it makes him like like a amateur.

that absolutely does my head in every freaking time. at least skrtel went on a rampaging run that almost brought a goal. and i dont agree with the OP. carra has been the worse of the 2 this season. skrtel is doing ok, but yes he can do better and assert himself stronger in the air

Echos · #16 30-9-09, 00:16

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Originally Posted by christhered

Snipes... blame Carra.. its funny how our biggest strength was alway defending till Skrtel came along.... I dont need to remind you of Havant and waterloo,

that's absolutely ridiculous, you fool

44red · #17 30-9-09, 00:23

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Originally Posted by christhered

I have said its the partnership that stinks, they seemed to be more concerned what each other is doing, instead of concentrating on their own game.

Having said that Skrtel is incapabale of heading a cross field ball.

Snipes... blame Carra.. its funny how our biggest strength was alway defending till Skrtel came along.... I dont need to remind you of Havant and waterloo, I havent seen that sort of performance from Vidic time and time again ( torres apart

) against the best in the world.

Carra was part of the best defensive unit we have had in 25 years, but blame him anyway, after all he wasnt the Messiah's signing, so who gives a ****.

now you are just being a bit silly. carra's individual errors have been mounting up since the back end of last season. own goals, giving away penalties, losing the ball in dangerous areas, and generally poor positional play sometimes of course, i still respect him as a top player but rafa just has to get the balls to show carra is not a guaranteed starter and rest him more. ffs! the guy is over 30 and rafa used him in the carling cup,league game and again today while basing the rationale on fitness stats that show ''carra's physical condition is improving. he's faster now than when the season starts''.rafa's words!

but thats not the point. and its one of the things i see as rafa's shortcomings. relying too much on analytical data to back up something. carra maybe physically fit, but mentally he's not up and running yet. so why not rest him in a couple of easy games, helping him get his focus back together. he surely cant get that focus if he keeps playing and committing errors that cost us, and then he has a go at anyone in the backline who dares make a mistake.he's just going to get more depressed about things that way

LiverpoolRealist · #18 30-9-09, 00:29

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Originally Posted by christhered

Yes Im being reactionary, but study the goals we have conceded and its either down to his poor positional play or his lack of heading ability.
It just isnt this season, he made mistakes last season too, especially in the derby. I feel we have another Glen Hysen on our hands.
He cannot head all to save his life.

There is something in your argument but I do think he is a good defender.

I'll always want Agger in ahead of him, even when he was playing well. However, I'd prefer to see Skrtel against Drogba than anyone else.

EskilJehn · #19 30-9-09, 01:51

Our whole defense is off form - simply as that.

tegs · #20 30-9-09, 02:09

in a ideal world we would bring someone like matthew upson to partner a fully fit agger.

Dawn-of-da-Reds · #21 30-9-09, 02:16

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Originally Posted by tegs

in a ideal world we would bring someone like matthew upson to partner a fully fit agger.

Nice joke there

Dave00 · #22 30-9-09, 02:34

Have any of you guys stopped for one second to think why our defence is upset this year.

Sami has moved on and Agger has been injured so ofcourse we are going to struggle in defence.

Oh and as for last nights game if Masch had been on the pitch it would have been a different game.

Phil-Babel · #23 30-9-09, 02:54

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Originally Posted by Dave00

Have any of you guys stopped for one second to think why our defence is upset this year.

Sami has moved on and Agger has been injured so ofcourse we are going to struggle in defence.

Oh and as for last nights game if Masch had been on the pitch it would have been a different game.

Yeah that is true.

Sami has gone, Agger and Aurelio have both been injured until now.

The partnership between Skrtel and Carragher seems to be very vulnerable at the moment and personally I believe Carragher has been very poor so far this season.

I also think Aurelio will make a big difference to the back 4. As well as Insua has done, he is still very inexperienced and last night was a prime example of that. Nothing against Insua as a player as i'm sure his game will improve in time, it's just that Aurelio is the better of the two in my opinion.

Kev-is-Red · #24 30-9-09, 06:34

Skrtel is a good defender, he is just not a great defender, although he has the potential to be one. Him and Carra seem to be having major communication issues this season, notice how many balls that they both will attempt to clear or header they will both try to win.

christhered · #25 30-9-09, 06:37

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Originally Posted by Kev-is-Red

Skrtel is a good defender, he is just not a great defender, although he has the potential to be one. Him and Carra seem to be having major communication issues this season, notice how many balls that they both will attempt to clear or header they will both try to win.

That is a major factor, they seem to be worrying about who is going to make the next mistake thus not concentrating on their own game. I will still maintain that Skrtel is awful in the air, the ball seems to bounce off his head time and time again instead if him being in the proper position to attack it.

Tuta · #26 30-9-09, 06:46

I blame it on clash of heads in game v spurs. Since then they are not same players as before

Ayub · #27 30-9-09, 07:07

The defence will always be under pressure when a team deos not have a midfield that can track back and protect our defenders.

Yesterday we did not have have Masch - we had the likes of Aurellio filling in with lucas - at times SG dropped back but none of them have the skills and the game intelligence to control the game or dictate the pace of the game

We do not have a midfielder who can approach the defence - get the ball off them with his back turn and then pass the ball around - we had one - but we sold him and some in here were so very pleased beacuse he had a bad season!!

We were abysmal all over the pitch - our passing was horrendes - I have been saying this for quite a while and if there are any statistics on this issue then I have no dobut we will be on top - WE JUST MAKE TOO MAY BACK AND SQUARE PASSES with a lump upfield - yesterday there was an occassion in the second half when we had aobut 10 passes and yet we did not even get near the half way line!

When its 0-0 we really struggle - we just want to lump the ball up form deep positions - we only start to play if (a) we score the first goal and (b) we concede and have to chase a game

Rafa said we palyed well in the second half but I disagree - yes we had one or two chances but I cannot remember their defence or their keeper being under any sort of consistant pressure and one of the reason for that is we just lumped balls forward

We now have a double header with Lyon and if we loose we will really struggle to qualify for the knock out stages

If we are serious about progressing further then we have to learn to move the ball quickly and precisely - we have to have a game plan that allows players more freedom in their movements - there were some cases last night and I particularly remember one instance when Gerrad had the ball just inside Fiorentina's half - he was in the middle of the pitch - he looked right - no Johnson - where was he - 15 yards behind in our own half!!!

He looked left - no one there - where was Insua - 15 yards back inside his own half - what did SG do - went back!!

teams like manure and arsenal simply try to pass the opposition to death - they retain possession so well, their players are always on the move - their passing options are in most cases a forward pass - players look compose on the ball

We have Chavs on Sunday and another defensive minded set up wil put to bed our chances of challenging for the PL titlel let alone winning it - if we are serious then we will have to go to stamford bridge and take the game to them - if we sit back the we will be in big trouble

vanja74 · #28 30-9-09, 07:31

I have 3 red cards next to my name...why....openly ctitsized Lukas, Reina(when he had bad games) and Skrtel.
Carra is out of form, but Skrtel is out of form all his life.
He will clear something here and there, but his "intelligent" fouls around the box and silly mistakes will cost us big.

Kev-is-Red · #29 30-9-09, 07:34

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Originally Posted by vanja74

I have 3 red cards next to my name...why....openly ctitsized Lukas, Reina(when he had bad games) and Skrtel.
Carra is out of form, but Skrtel is out of form all his life.
He will clear something here and there, but his "intelligent" fouls around the box and silly mistakes will cost us big.

Lukas Podolski?

IstanbulDreams · #30 30-9-09, 07:40

This thread is hilarious.